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And that’s about all I have to say about Vivec. Sermon 37 is why I say only the first 36 of the 36 Lessons portray Vivec as being birthed from an egg. I wrote of this in an earlier life. The second point, of murdering the ruling king again and again, is a reference to the failed Incarnates, in my view. This would certainly go some way to explain Vivec’s actions during hir Trial. And there are hidden messages in the book. The first of these is tricky as it means that there was literal reincarnation of souls going on, which I’m not sure is strictly a thing in The Elder Scrolls; where things are “brought back”, it’s typically through the process of mantling, rather than reincarnation. Or at least that’s my reading of it; I could be entirely wrong there. Ze has striven for self-transformation in whatever ze has done, and in the actions against Nerevar, all accounts consider Vivec to have goaded Nerevar to war. This is reflective of hir Anticipation in Mephala, but also in his attitude to truth. Vivec did clearly break hir oath to Nerevar, and the Tribunal Temple was an artificial construction created around the Tribunal. I was playing Morrowind just now, and as I was reading one of the 36 Lessons of Vivec, two thoughts came to me in rapid succession: 1) These things sound like a Markov chain generator wrote them. It also makes it more of a blank slate, and therefore able to self-create and be without the context of having parents. We’ve had a few new additions to the Robots Radio Network recently; The DL is a weekly gaming news show, they did some fantastic coverage of E3 and all the goings on there, I thoroughly recommend checking them out. Even if you aren't a Dunmer, the obscure esotericism of my Lord's sermons makes them something of a cultural phenomenon. I’ve heard it said that the Children are elements of Vivec’s own personality that ze was shedding in the process of becoming a deity. 2) I should write a Markov chain generator to write new lessons of Vivec. Complete the form below to notify iFunny of a claim relating to your intellectual property rights and content or some technical inconvenience with the service. If Vivec had it, then ze could certainly manipulate hir past so that ze was always a god, and account that we have in the 36 Lessons becomes true. - The Liber Legis "The fire is mine: let it consume thee, And make a secret door At the altar of Padhome, In the House of Boet-hi-Ah Where we become safe And looked after." I want to say, as usual, that this is my own understanding of who Vivec is, and definitely not the whole truth of the matter. Vivec is a crack RPF writer. Come on, this is the guy who wrote the 36 Lessons of Vivec where he paired himself with freaking Molag Bal. He also wrote the 36 sermons himself, being that he knew the past i'm sure he knew of pelenial and could have easily wrote it this way on purpose. On the other, Nerevar is someone who was disposable as part of the grand plan that Vivec had for the Chimer/Dunmer. The former: walk like them until they must walk like you. I’m really glad to be back into the swing of things, and sorry again for the long break. Or Vivec could be a lying murderer trying to cover up hir own wrongdoing with flowery language and a faked metaphysical event. Truth is like my husband: instructed to smash, filled with procedure and noise, hammering, weighty, heaviness made schematic, lessons learned only … Vivec was borne by ribbons of water, which wrote their starward couplings in red. Considering the other content of the 36 books, I wouldn't exactly consider it a reliable source. Vivec and the Ordinators have been killing all the Nerevarines to make sure that the Nerevarine eventually knows that Vivec must be removed. In this passage, Vivec is essentially claiming that one’s cultural context impinges on the self heavily, to the point where the self is not really self; one cannot be purely subjective, but instead an aggregation of little narratives. It’s pretty much impossible to separate out that from the benefits of CHIM, so we can’t know for sure whether Vivec has it. The 36 Lessons has them meeting, in a way at least, on the way to Mournhold. Vivec was, or maybe is, in brief, a mortal who became a god, one of the Tribunal who ruled Morrowind for more than three and a half thousand years. Vivec’s spoken dialogue in The Elder Scrolls III was written by one developer (I think Ken Rolston? MUATRA may also represent part of Vivec’s power as a poet; that is, seduction. But, at the same time, unconsciously, they accept the notion of darker, hidden currents beneath Vivec’s benevolent aspects. Rather, they conceive of Lord Vivec as benevolent king, guardian warrior, poet-artist. This presents the Tribunal as a whole as a thing that is self-created, and Vivec in particular is something that is possibly the culmination of the Tribunal, being both the youngest Tribune and the one able to balance both Mystery and Mercy. Vehk’s Teaching speaks out this in relation to the attitude of how ancestor worship can lead towards the Amaranth. The 36 Lessons are, if they are written by Vivec, possibly a manual on how to attain CHIM, if you listen to various parts of the community. There’s the dual aspect of warrior and poet, male and female, which for me is key to hir whole character. Ze was the Warrior-Poet of the Tribunal, and along with the rest of them tapped the Heart of Lorkhan to become gods, in a point called the Red Moment by the fans and in a few texts. Together, that makes 16, or the total number of Daedric Princes, not counting the weirdness of Jyggalag. The 36 Lessons of Vivec are a set of books scattered throughout .. I did some post-recording order jiggling to make the article flow better. This is creation and birth without desire, which separates the birth from mortal concerns. CHIM? Shiva and Shakti’s merging symbolises union and recreation, as well as being symbols of those gods themselves. We and our partners operate globally and use cookies, including for analytics. But again, that’s a problem with Vivec; hir actions can be spun so many different ways, and with the entire Temple basically endeavouring to make hir look good. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Elder Scrolls Close Reads: The Monomyth, Satakal the Worldskin, Elder Scrolls Close Reads: The Monomyth, Shezarr’s Song. Vivec placed a statement that he murdered Nerevar in the 36 Lessons, hidden in code. Kirkbride wrote for both Morrowind and Oblivion, as well as for the Action-Adventure spin-off Redguard. I think it’s possible that Vivec gave the Numidium knowing that it would be reactivated and that it would cause Landfall; that the suffering and extinction of many on Nirn was seen by Vivec as a prerequisite for bringing about the Amaranth. For now it’s enough to say that CHIM possibly gives those who achieve it the power to reshape reality. Given that, it feels like Bal may have helped Vivec attain CHIM during the Pomegranate Banquet. But I now want to talk a bit more about a totality that Vivec is in hirself; male and female. Vivec already has a “spear”, it’s just not named. Or it’s just a nod to the idea of dying again and again in the game until you complete the main quest. If you’re interested in that universe, be sure to check it out. The story is derived from Ashlander oral tradition, and is flatly contradicted by all Temple traditions. Mantling, in brief, is where you imitate the actions of a thing to the extent that the universe can’t tell the difference between you. Ze does seem to have an ambivalent relationship with Sithis, at least if ze is the author of the book Sithis, which references the Sermons and talks about Sithis in very similar ways. A reading of The 36 Lessons of Vivec, written by Michael Kirkbride and published by Bethesda Softworks. I don’t imagine House Indoril would promote a mere mercenary quite that high. I also have a pet theory that the destruction of Vivec and Bal’s children is a metaphor for the Tribunal’s reshaping of Dunmer culture. I’ve also seen MUATRA the spear presented as a dancing pole, against which female sexuality is displayed. No doubt countless hours and thought went into the writing of this Metaphysics series. Pure subjectivity is no longer possible; instead it becomes akin to sensory deprivation, yet without the fear, for we sense things that remind us of the dawn: the sacrifice into the stabilizing bones, new-built towers with broken intentions, and first metals gone blue from exposure to the long sun. Describe the issue in detail. x Michael Kirkbride famously M wrote the The 36 Lessons of Vivec by imbibing psilocybin mushrooms and LSD and locking himself in his apartment for a week. Or potentially for Landfall. There are some hints that something like more traditional reincarnation is possible, but rather than go down that rabbit hole I’ll leave you with this quote from MK on the matter, originally posted in a forum in 2005, speaking as Nu-Hatta: Mantling and incarnation are separate roads; do not mistake this. In order to learn how to move beyond limitation, you need to first be limited. It’s a bit that the fans tend to get a little excited about, because it basically involves a lot of dick-waving. Sermon 37 seems to take something of a more conventional view, some of the time. It’s also possible that, if Jubal is a Nerevarine, that Vivec is still desperately trying to make up for hir killing of Nerevar, even several eras later. I think that the killing of the children is possibly a metaphor for Vivec reshaping Chimeri/Dunmeri society into something that ze wants, getting rid of any worship of Sanguine, Vaermina and the rest of them. That text presents a series of ‘could-have-beens’ for Vivec, which relate Vivec’s pasts as possibly becoming a troubadour and dying of a fever. Until then, this podcast remains a letter written in uncertainty. And on a similar note, he probably runs ff.net too. There she stayed for seven or eight months. Sermon 1 of the 36 Lessons actually says that “Ayem took a netchiman’s wife”, and then seemingly spoke Vehk into being by declaring that ze was inside her as an egg. The Dunmer are one of two races that we know survived the event on a moon colony, and then goes on to produce Jubal lun-Sul, who Vivec later marries and produces the Amaranth with. However, there is also the manipulation of the Heart of Lorkhan that gave Vivec hir godhood. There are several “lessons of ruling kings” scattered throughout the books, but as usual, I’m not 100% convinced that these are necessarily to do with CHIM. Vivec does seem to have quite a dismissive opinion of gods in general. It’s also quite common that Vivec is called selfish, and potentially with reason in some ways. We have a much more grounded version of Vivec’s origins in the unlicensed text What My Beloved Taught Me. Vivec's Fire is mentioned more than a few times in the 36 Lessons. You have discovered the thirty-seventh Sermon of Vivec, which is a bending of the light, long past the chronicles of the Hortator who wore inconstant faces and ruled however they would, until apocalypse. The PR dept. Which is it? Now I’ve dropped that little piece on you, I’ll leave you to think on what the cobbles of draw-bone destiny could be, and leave it until we can have a whole podcast on the nature of souls in TES. This has Vivec as the ‘egg’ of the Tribunal that was incubated by a netchiman’s wife, that is a shepherd’s wife. I will be going over some of that here, but have already done a fuller treatment of CHIM. Can be found randomly in loot containers or be bought from general goods vendors. Or maybe that’s giving Vivec too much credit. Michael Kirkbride is a former writer and designer for Bethesda Softworks. MK has hinted that Vivec was also Hlaalu Hir in C0DA (“hir” being a huge clue), who tries to kill Jubal in C0DA’s narrative. I think it’s definitely something that Vivec had in mind for the Chimer and Dunmer. Hir 36 Lessons are some of the biggest pieces of propaganda you’ll find in TES, although it’s not immediately obvious. In that, Emperor Leto II had planned a “Golden Path” for humanity, which resulted in a millennia-long theocratic rule across the galaxy, that stagnated and centralised galactic culture to the point where it was shattered on his death, and the remnants of a rejuvenated humanity were scattered among the stars. The latter is built from the cobbles of drawn-bone destiny. and assemble them, a secret message is revealed: "He was not born a god. The "Trial of Vivec" clearly states that beyond Mundus, Azura wasn't fully within Vivecs grasp. Vivec is one of two people we know of who could have CHIM. The first of those being that Vivec is acknowledging that hir divinity, rather than CHIM, in Sermon 4. That allowed Vivec to channel the power of the Heart to hir own ends. It’s either that power that allowed the manipulation of time, or that of CHIM. However, it is an honest vindication for truth and superhuman ideals, which means it should be regarded as such by our own sense of fault: we made this, we dreamed this, we made it viable by voting with our seductions, we will live again to show our genuine applause. Those different authors had different voices, resulting in quite a large tone difference in how Vivec is developed. They can be anything, and do anything, within the cosmos of The Elder Scrolls. So I did. This is something that several Western Hermetic traditions pick up on, as well as a key tenet in Existentialist philosophy – while we are not placed into the world without a context, to act as we see fit and without the influences of those contexts is often placed on a higher plane. For that, ze needs Jubal. I think it’s possible that Vivec was preparing for those catastrophes by intentionally making them happen. I was playing Morrowind just now, and as I was reading one of the 36 Lessons of Vivec, two thoughts came to me in rapid succession: These things sound like a Markov chain generator wrote them; I should write a Markov chain generator to write new lessons of Vivec; So I did. In Michael Kirkbride’s C0DA, the Numidium returns in the ninth century of the Fifth Era and destroys much of Nirn in an event called Landfall. As Sotha Sil said, "Vivec craves radical freedom - the death of all limits and restrictions. There seems to be no account where Vivec has a conventional gender to begin with, whatever way its spun, which in a way incapsulates Vivec’s attitude, I feel. Molag Bal and Vivec have 9 children. Jubal is considered by some fans to effectively be a Nerevarine, because he takes similar steps to the Nerevarine over the course of C0DA’s storyline. That is to say, invent.” That freedom to choose, independent of , existentialist radical freedom, is key to Vivec’s character, which I’ll get to later. Ze seems ambivalent about the whole thing. If you like what you’re hearing/reading, please leave a rating wherever your listening. god? Check that out for a good number of possibilities. In terms of how Vivec rises to prominence, ze is then spotted by Nerevar as something important, either on the road to Mournhold or in Mournhold itself, and raised up by him to be an advisor against the invading Nords. From that text, it seems like ze is talking to Nerevar about a variety of things, which is possibly where they met in this version of events. Most notable is the 36 Lessons of Vivec series, which is a series of 36 "books" which tops out at over 100 pages. We also have Chad: A Fallout 76 Story, which is an audio drama that basically explores the question of what would happen if you were sealed in a vault with your school bully for most of your life, and had to live with them for the good of the community. From there, we can possibly assume they strike up a relationship (of some sort, either friendship or possibly sexual), and from there Vivec becomes an advisor to Nerevar. This also has some implications about why worship the Daeda, but I think that probably deserves its own episode, as it’s a question that I see around a lot. The 36 Lessons has Nerevar kill Dumac, with the Short Blade of Proper Commerce, which Vivec uses earlier in the Lessons to kill City-Face. Nonetheless, the tale is firmly established in the Dunmer imagination, as if to say, “Of course Vivec would never have conspired to murder Lord Nerevar, but it happened so long ago… who can know the truth?”. Truth, as we’ll see later, is something that Vivec is not necessarily particularly invested in. I will murder him time and again until he knows this.”. For example, one of the most striking persistent myths associated with Vivec is the story that Vivec conspired with his co-rulers Almalexia and Sotha Sil in the murder of Lord Nerevar, the greatest of Dunmer heroes and generals. This is particularly the case as "the heavens" (numbered 12) are plural in the 36 Lessons. On the one hand, Nerevar is a treasured friend in many ways, who Vivec seems to regret killing. I think. The Temple certainly puts a rather too rosy picture of what Vivec has done, but I’m not sure that we can see enough about hir motives. Exactly who Vivec is and what ze has done and how have several different answers in TES, and you’ll get widely different opinions on it. Note: If you listen alongside reading, the order of the recording will be slightly different to the below text. The 36 Lessons, or at least the first 36, portray hir as being birthed from an egg, with Almalexia and Sotha Sil as parent figures that have a hand in creating and shaping it.

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